Ultimate Raise Spectre Necromancer Passive Skill Tree & Gem Links

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Passive Skill Tree

This is our recommended Level 100 Passive Skill Tree for our Raise Spectre Raise Spectre guide.

This build can achieve a lot of power early, since a lot of the surplus points are invested towards tying Jewel Sockets together. Not only can we quickly stack up a really healthy amount of Life, but Phase Acrobatics adds a degree of elusiveness that underscores the overall fortitude of our build. Elemental Equilibrium is triggered by our Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand, however, it should not be used before reliable triggering can be employed.

Since our build utilizes both Haste Haste and Zealotry Zealotry, the reduced Mana reservation node in the Leadership notable wheel is taken. The Leadership notable itself is not as important, and can be saved for an “icing on the cake” investment when you are in the 90s. Charisma is also used, allowing us to incorporate Dread Banner Dread Banner to further reduce the accuracy of enemy attacks. Jewels should be invested towards as soon as you have them — since this build makes exclusive use of Ghastly Eye Jewel Ghastly Eye Jewels, which are typically not expensive or difficult to self-craft, this can usually be done fairly early on.

Phase Acrobatics should be acquired in the latter half of the leveling process, as you head towards maps for the first time. Since we are able to leverage our minions as a frontline of sorts, protecting us from some of the harm other builds may struggle with, the defenses are not as critical early on. As you ease into maps, however, you will find that having a stable base of defense is one of the most important aspects of quickly moving through a map.

Passive Tree Progression Advice

Due to a fair amount of allocation being invested towards Jewel sockets, you can easily acquire all the core notables and keystones by the time you reach maps. Most of the end-game points are used to pick up additional Jewels and Maximum Life.

Gems

In addition to the Raise Spectre Raise Spectre link for our Slave Drivers, we also use Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand as a means of procuring the Elemental Equilibrium effect, as well as applying our curse of choice and Blind Support Blind Support. Brand skills are excellent to suit this purpose, as they stick to targets, can be cast at range while repositioning, and do not need to be re-applied if the target moves. This makes Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand the ideal candidate versus other skills that are often used to fulfill a similar purpose.

Auras are relatively flexible, but our preferences are Wrath Wrath and Zealotry Zealotry. We also make good use of Vaal Haste Vaal Haste as a damage steroid, but the actual Haste Haste aura itself is not used. Wrath Wrath adds a huge amount of Lightning damage to our Raise Spectre Raise Spectres. Zealotry Zealotry also adds a lump of straight damage as well as extra regeneration for you and your minions from Consecrated Ground, which can be enormously beneficial during encounters where your Spectres are taking heavy damage.

A classic combination of Desecrate Desecrate and Flesh Offering Flesh Offering gives all of our minions a massive injection of attack, cast, and movement speed, and these can be auto-cast to eliminate any frustration — see the Gear section for more information.

Raise Spectre Raise Spectre Slave Drivers 6-Link

Many players have complained of the Slave Drivers having “twitchy” AI, and not behaving as predictably as other spectres. Fortunately the new Feeding Frenzy Support Feeding Frenzy Support gem solves this problem entirely. For our sixth gem we have several options that vary according to your playstyle, gear level, and what kind of content you are looking to tackle.

  1. Raise Spectre Raise Spectre
  2. Spell Echo Support Spell Echo Support
  3. Minion Damage Support Minion Damage Support
  4. Feeding Frenzy Support Feeding Frenzy Support
  5. Elemental Focus Support Elemental Focus Support
  6. Player’s Preference

Options for the sixth link:

Remember to remove Spell Echo Support Spell Echo Support from the link when casting Raise Spectre Raise Spectre to summon the Slave Drivers, or you will summon twice in a row causing additional random spectres to spawn. We are using Spell Echo Support Spell Echo Support purely for influencing the Slave Drivers damage, not for the manual casting of Raise Spectre Raise Spectre itself.

Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand 4-Link

As we mentioned earlier in the guide, Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand is a self-cast skill that is used to trigger the Elemental Equilibrium effect. In addition to being a straight damage boost for that aforementioned reason, it can also be used as a means of applying a Curse of Choice as well as Blind Support Blind Support.

  1. Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand (Level 1)
  2. Blind Support Blind Support
  3. Curse On Hit Support Curse On Hit Support
  4. Curse of Choice

Our default recommendation for your curse is Conductivity Conductivity, since our build has fairly potent base survivability and most players look to maximize their damage output. For this purpose, Conductivity Conductivity is an ideal candidate, adding further chance to shock and further reducing enemy Lightning Resistance alongside Elemental Equilibrium. Other options can be more defensive, especially for players on the Hardcore servers, or for those who want to give themselves the best chance of reaching Level 100. Good options for defense are Temporal Chains Temporal Chains and Enfeeble Enfeeble.

Auras 4-Link

Vaal Haste Vaal Haste is only used for the active effect, and Haste Haste itself is not employed. Generosity Support Generosity Support is a very important gem for maximizing the damage of our Raise Spectre Raise Spectres. Quality on the aura gems is actually beneficial, unlike most builds, because having a healthy area of effect ensures that your spectres are always benefiting from your buffs.

  1. Wrath Wrath
  2. Zealotry Zealotry
  3. Vaal Haste Vaal Haste
  4. Generosity Support Generosity Support

Animate Guardian Animate Guardian 4-Link

Animate Guardian Animate Guardian is an important support minion that can equip items and even Uniques to help buff you and your Raise Spectre Raise Spectres. The new Summon Carrion Golem Summon Carrion Golem further buffs minions and acts as a distraction in many situations. If you do not yet have the capability to run Dread Banner Dread Banner in addition to Wrath Wrath and Zealotry Zealotry, drop it from the link and turn this 4-Link into 2 separate 2-Links within the item. Link Summon Carrion Golem Summon Carrion Golem to Meat Shield Support Meat Shield Support, and Animate Guardian Animate Guardian to Minion Life Support Minion Life Support.

  1. Animate Guardian Animate Guardian
  2. Summon Carrion Golem Summon Carrion Golem
  3. Minion Life Support Minion Life Support
  4. Dread Banner Dread Banner

The most important items to equip your Animate Guardian Animate Guardian with are typical support Uniques. These are commonly used for this purpose and very cheaply obtained, and perfectly viable for leagues such as Solo Self-Found:

We will go into more detail about the Animate Guardian Animate Guardian and more ways of optimizing it later in the guide — check the Improving the Animate Guardian to learn more.

Desecrate Desecrate and Flesh Offering Flesh Offering 3-Link

This link should ideally be socketed in a wand with the crafted affix “Trigger a Socketed Spell When You Use a Skill” if possible, as it removes the need to cast any of these skills.

  1. Desecrate Desecrate
  2. Flesh Offering Flesh Offering
  3. Blade Vortex Blade Vortex

Blade Vortex Blade Vortex can be an alternate means of procuring Elemental Equilibrium while clearing, as stopping to cast Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand constantly is simply not worth it. You will need to have Cold or Fire damage to spells on your wand for this to work, and Blade Vortex Blade Vortex is not worth using unless this setup is being employed. Replace it with a gem of your choosing if this is the case; Enduring Cry Enduring Cry, your Curse of Choice, and Convocation Convocation are examples of options.

Cast when Damage Taken Support Cast when Damage Taken Support 3-Link

Phase Run Phase Run does not need to be linked, although it makes little difference either way as it is too high to be activated by CWDT.

  1. Cast when Damage Taken Support Cast when Damage Taken Support (Level 10)
  2. Immortal Call Immortal Call (Level 12) or Guard Skill of Choice
  3. Phase Run Phase Run (Level 20)

Unset Ring(s) 1-Link(s)

Flame Dash Flame Dash should be socketed in an Unset Ring Unset Ring.

If you are not using Convocation Convocation in your Wand, it can be helpful to have a second Unset Ring Unset Ring with Convocation Convocation socketed.

Similar to Armageddon Brand Armageddon Brand, it can be beneficial to keep these gems at Level 1 to avoid running out of Mana if you are casting them often.

Check out the main page of the guide or use the menu on the right side of this page to navigate to the other sections of the guide.

Changelog
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    Added a note about Spell Echo to reduce confusion with summoning spectres.

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    I use this exact build right now for my third SSF char in this league. I had some Bones of Ullr, Sidhebreath in my stash and a Tabula. I started with SRS and tried to switch to Spectres when I first saw Slave Drivers. But they keep dying… Even with Minion Life. My Desecrate and Raise Spectres gems should create level 47 Spectres, I remove Spell Echo from my 6L before raising Spectres but it doesn’t help. SSF so no Wraithlord for me. I always raise spectres in my Delve mine (level 75-80 don’t remember).
    Do you have an idea? Did I miss something in the tree to help with their life regen and survivability?

  2. Furty

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    On 11/07/2019 at 7:53 AM, Asmo57 said

    I use this exact build right now for my third SSF char in this league. I had some Bones of Ullr, Sidhebreath in my stash and a Tabula. I started with SRS and tried to switch to Spectres when I first saw Slave Drivers. But they keep dying… Even with Minion Life. My Desecrate and Raise Spectres gems should create level 47 Spectres, I remove Spell Echo from my 6L before raising Spectres but it doesn’t help. SSF so no Wraithlord for me. I always raise spectres in my Delve mine (level 75-80 don’t remember).
    Do you have an idea? Did I miss something in the tree to help with their life regen and survivability?

    As mentioned in the Leveling section, you should only level with Raise Spectre Raise Spectre if you have Wraithlord Wraithlord (If you want to switch to Raise Spectre Raise Spectre while leveling, you should use Wraithlord Wraithlord, otherwise you will lack damage and have a difficult time keeping them alive).

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    OK thanks for your reply.
    And in the end-game what will make them durable? Ascendencies? Desecrate and Raise Spectres gem levels?

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    On 11/07/2019 at 8:46 AM, Asmo57 said

    OK thanks for your reply.
    And in the end-game what will make them durable? Ascendencies? Desecrate and Raise Spectres gem levels?

    There’s a variety of factors — Soul Weaver Ascendancy, Convocation Convocation, certain Passive Skill tree investments, Raise Spectre Raise Spectre gem level, spectre monster level, etc.

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    First of all i wanna thank the guys who figured out this build! It is amazing! Ive been playing Spectremancer like 2 seasons now,didnt reach more than 88 the last season using this build https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/raise-spectre-necromancer-build-guide ..I did start a little late in current season so i thought,well it is oki to reach 88 with so little time .So i started out this season, building the almost exact build,i did then reach 88 once more,and god i was struggling,dying all the time,getting 1 shotted and rekt trying to get past map 10,in fact i was on lvl 88 for weeks ,gaining and loosing xp all the time…Iam not saying the https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/raise-spectre-necromancer-build-guide build isnt good,its just not for me,that i can see now,who the hell want all thoose zombies and skeletons?..so did reset alot og points in my passive tree.I dont have all the correct items for the new build yet..but its stil SO MUCH stronger and the defense is great..Ive being running several 10 maps now and do not loosing xp atall,gaining my way to 89..Holy sheep thoose Slave drivers are so powerfull..My Animate Guardian is dying sometimes,but i quess its because the gem is a little to low atm…10/10 best build out there..no doubt”“!Thanx guys! great job! Maybe with the new patch today..who knows..some of thoose new spectres could be even stronger?

    Best regards! Netfix https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/%C3%86rek%C3%A6r

    Edited by Netfix on July 12th, 2019

  6. Furty

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    On 12/07/2019 at 9:27 AM, Netfix said

    First of all i wanna thank the guys who figured out this build! It is amazing! Ive been playing Spectremancer like 2 seasons now,didnt reach more than 88 the last season using this build https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/raise-spectre-necromancer-build-guide ..I did start a little late in current season so i thought,well it is oki to reach 88 with so little time .So i started out this season, building the almost exact build,i did then reach 88 once more,and god i was struggling,dying all the time,getting 1 shotted and rekt trying to get past map 10,in fact i was on lvl 88 for weeks ,gaining and loosing xp all the time…Iam not saying the https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/raise-spectre-necromancer-build-guide build isnt good,its just not for me,that i can see now,who the hell want all thoose zombies and skeletons?..so did reset alot og points in my passive tree.I dont have all the correct items for the new build yet..but its stil SO MUCH stronger and the defense is great..Ive being running several 10 maps now and do not loosing xp atall,gaining my way to 89..Holy sheep thoose Slave drivers are so powerfull..My Animate Guardian is dying sometimes,but i quess its because the gem is a little to low atm…10/10 best build out there..no doubt”“!Thanx guys! great job! Maybe with the new patch today..who knows..some of thoose new spectres could be even stronger?

    Best regards! Netfix https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/%C3%86rek%C3%A6r

    Thanks for the positive feedback, I’m glad this build is working out for you and I’m sorry that you weren’t able to get the most out of your previous effort. I’ll be adding a more detailed section on Animate Guardian Animate Guardian soon to help players keep it alive and equip it with even more powerful gear.

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    Hi guys, For some reason the Passive skill tree is not available for me to look at. Any insight in how to do this as i NEED this build in my life for my First character haha! Thanks in Advance.

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    ‘Thx man! how kind of you to respect me of me journey,As i told earlier i didnt have all the correct items for the build..Aim having a bit trouble understanding all the correct words from the build,and i did use alot of currency trying to make my last build function..iam struggling with all ress atm..dying has arrived..but still ive gained ½ lvl on 1 night/day..was 3 bubs from 89 getting very faisty..thought i was immortal..haha..i wasnt..but still i rekt legion forces more than ever..if i manage to keep up blade vortex,i cannot die..but then again..i cant..i hope when i have the currency to buy a decent 1 h mace with 90+ miniondamage,and ressist..I think iam not suppose to click the dang thing all the time to keep it up..something about “ Trigger a Socketed Spell When You Use a Skill“i dont quiet understand..but i quess it will follow later on when i have the correct items..Or is it suppose to be like that?..i gotta keep it up by clicking the hell outta it….would be aweaome if the spell just staying at +10 all the time,and just was like and damage aura all the time…i hope you understand my odd kinda spelling and questioning…pardon my french kinda spelling and odd kinda langueage…Iam from Denmark…North Europe…Anyways thanx in advance!

    Urs sincerely Netfix..iam not expeckting you to answer me..this is just mu thoughts outthere..great respect from here…no trollin whatsoever§!

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    On 12/07/2019 at 6:13 PM, Deathstowel said

    Hi guys, For some reason the Passive skill tree is not available for me to look at. Any insight in how to do this as i NEED this build in my life for my First character haha! Thanks in Advance.

    http://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMDAd-wksGOvhEtLJy86mpDCPTsimvbTLPQH-_rBAeD21XGOlismPfXzLxNuYVgqsR8g-vumuBFnVNSHNyPGriTKPqCx_noQYe3Pv4K2L01kv6PTeOmVzrh8kW18m6qSsiKr5ARe8ODzDwtg1_GrsT2r6cczitQDc3-VHKprKpZ8xo4kFUnL3IPZp6g5mdxSp-Ub2ZU0_tqrAZJV8kNfOq6tAxGceGIHaqwd4MJb57xs0tXwOPKSl-wm7WExcM6IuoyAbIZz3ro1gW1jb_UIzBx3ahLeDpCmK3-STLRRUfAZgSzogAZivsJ9toaj_AfaHTaYhhWqH1akRUnjLHsg9OP2V7-gWa6LOI=

    Here is a link to an official site tree.

  10. Furty

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    On 12/07/2019 at 9:07 PM, Netfix said

    ‘Thx man! how kind of you to respect me of me journey,As i told earlier i didnt have all the correct items for the build..Aim having a bit trouble understanding all the correct words from the build,and i did use alot of currency trying to make my last build function..iam struggling with all ress atm..dying has arrived..but still ive gained ½ lvl on 1 night/day..was 3 bubs from 89 getting very faisty..thought i was immortal..haha..i wasnt..but still i rekt legion forces more than ever..if i manage to keep up blade vortex,i cannot die..but then again..i cant..i hope when i have the currency to buy a decent 1 h mace with 90+ miniondamage,and ressist..I think iam not suppose to click the dang thing all the time to keep it up..something about “ Trigger a Socketed Spell When You Use a Skill“i dont quiet understand..but i quess it will follow later on when i have the correct items..Or is it suppose to be like that?..i gotta keep it up by clicking the hell outta it….would be aweaome if the spell just staying at +10 all the time,and just was like and damage aura all the time…i hope you understand my odd kinda spelling and questioning…pardon my french kinda spelling and odd kinda langueage…Iam from Denmark…North Europe…Anyways thanx in advance!

    Urs sincerely Netfix..iam not expeckting you to answer me..this is just mu thoughts outthere..great respect from here…no trollin whatsoever§!

    If you have the Trigger a Socketed Spell when You Use a Skill mod on your weapon then Blade Vortex Blade Vortex will activate automatically, so definitely something to look forward to!

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    This appears extremely similar to Kayella’s build posted 5 days prior to this. Slave Drivers not being in PoB and the discovery of Slave Drivers being viable contenders in the Spectre arsenal are all very recent/coincidental and I would appreciate a follow up to this. Original Link/Guide — http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2181275 —————— If this is the inspiration for such a build, at least some type of homage is due. Clarification would be much appreciated.

    Edited by Hammer2DaFace on July 13th, 2019

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    On 13/07/2019 at 4:23 AM, Hammer2DaFace said

    This appears extremely similar to Kayella’s build posted 5 days prior to this. Slave Drivers not being in PoB and the discovery of Slave Drivers being viable contenders in the Spectre arsenal are all very recent/coincidental and I would appreciate a follow up to this. Original Link/Guide — http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2181275 —————— If this is the inspiration for such a build, at least some type of homage is due. Clarification would be much appreciated.

    Hey there,

    Slave Drivers being a recent discovery as a contender is the main reason this guide was produced, as we already have a great Spectres guide to the more traditional “Solar Guard” route on-site. I’m not sure if this “Kayella” character was the very first person to discover Slave Drivers, since I haven’t had the pleasure of encountering their work or chatting with them before, but I’ve been hearing a bit of buzz about the use of Slave Drivers both in-game and in discord for a few weeks now. After reading through the guide you linked, it is clear to me the content isn’t all that similar aside from stuff like Gearing and Passive Allocation, which is pretty archetypal across many Spectre/Summoner builds to begin with. Whenever something new is discovered that causes a shift in the status quo of a certain archetype or meta, it is inevitable there will be multiple or many new information streams that cover and tackle it from different angles — for example, how many Cyclone Cyclone guides/builds are out there with similar recommendations but entirely different guide matter?

    Having written many guides for many games, I take my work very seriously and I know exactly what it feels like to have your work mirrored or reproduced without fair citation. As such, I have no problem giving people the appropriate nod and link or asking their permission directly, as is their right. This isn’t the case here, although my hat is off to this particular creator for some of the depth they’ve gone into in their guide (what a detailed leveling section!). Please feel free to reach out to me or respond here if any other clarification is needed!

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    On 13/07/2019 at 1:44 PM, Furty said

    I’m not sure if this “Kayella” character was the very first person to discover Slave Drivers,

    Hello,

    I am Kayella. I was informed by several players that this build guide is similar to mine.

    Firstly, I would like to address this comment. On the 5th of July, I posted the world first sub 2min Uber Elder kill using Slave Drivers. My friend passed on the link to Uberelite, who then streamed it on his stream. You can check the video and dates here:

    https://www.youtube.com/kaygaming

    I am also the one who posted the PSA on reddit:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/cav6pe/psa_for_summoners_slave_drivers_are_pretty_good/

    The current buzz around Slave Drivers is most likely because of my video/reddit post.

    On 13/07/2019 at 1:44 PM, Furty said

    it is inevitable there will be multiple or many new information streams that cover and tackle it from different angles

    it is clear to me the content isn’t all that similar aside from stuff like Gearing and Passive Allocation, which is pretty archetypal across many Spectre/Summoner builds to begin with

    Secondly, you say you tackle it ‘from a different angle’. However, I have read through your guide, and all your information is the same as mine. Your gem suggestions and their links are the same as mine. This is not archetypal. No other spectre summoner build uses the same gem and gem link configuration as my build does.

    Your passive tree is exactly the same as mine. Again, this is not archetypal. I popularised the use of phase acrobatics in Synthesis league. No other spectre summoner build focuses on it. Especially with pathing to Herbalism which was theorycrafted in Synethsis league by a friend of mine.

    You gear suggestions, crafting guide and mechanics are exactly the same as mine or are a paraphrase of my words. Yet more non-archetypal build features. The use of a multi-mod trigger wand to proc Elemental Equilibrium is something I theorycrafted with others through my build guide. This is not featured in other summoner builds.

    Overall, much of the descriptions that you give, especially in the crafting and explaining of mechanics, are clear paraphrases of my words. There is too much similarity between this guide and my guide for it to be coincidental.

    Edited by Kayella on July 14th, 2019

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    On 14/07/2019 at 1:47 PM, Kayella said

    On 13/07/2019 at 1:44 PM, Furty said

    I’m not sure if this “Kayella” character was the very first person to discover Slave Drivers,

    Hello,

    I am Kayella. I was informed by several players that this build guide is similar to mine.

    Firstly, I would like to address this comment. On the 5th of July, I posted the world first sub 2min Uber Elder kill using Slave Drivers. My friend passed on the link to Uberelite, who then streamed it on his stream. You can check the video and dates here:

    https://www.youtube.com/kaygaming

    I am also the one who posted the PSA on reddit:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/cav6pe/psa_for_summoners_slave_drivers_are_pretty_good/

    The current buzz around Slave Drivers is most likely because of my video/reddit post.

    On 13/07/2019 at 1:44 PM, Furty said

    it is inevitable there will be multiple or many new information streams that cover and tackle it from different angles

    it is clear to me the content isn’t all that similar aside from stuff like Gearing and Passive Allocation, which is pretty archetypal across many Spectre/Summoner builds to begin with

    Secondly, you say you tackle it ‘from a different angle’. However, I have read through your guide, and all your information is the same as mine. Your gem suggestions and their links are the same as mine. This is not archetypal. No other spectre summoner build uses the same gem and gem link configuration as my build does.

    Your passive tree is exactly the same as mine. Again, this is not archetypal. I popularised the use of phase acrobatics in Synthesis league. No other spectre summoner build focuses on it. Especially with pathing to Herbalism which was theorycrafted in Synethsis league by a friend of mine.

    You gear suggestions, crafting guide and mechanics are exactly the same as mine or are a paraphrase of my words. Yet more non-archetypal build features. The use of a multi-mod trigger wand to proc Elemental Equilibrium is something I theorycrafted with others through my build guide. This is not featured in other summoner builds.

    Overall, much of the descriptions that you give, especially in the crafting and explaining of mechanics, are clear paraphrases of my words. There is too much similarity between this guide and my guide for it to be coincidental.

    Hello.

    I am Vlad, one of the owners of PoE Vault, and I’m responsible for proofreading and curating most of the content we have here. As a short preface, I will say that I play PoE myself, but having started quite recently, I am far from being as versed in matters relating to it as our writers, or yourself. As such, while I respond to your post, please bear that in mind in case I misspeak. We have done quite a bit of research into this matter, though, so I am not only speaking for myself here but also reproducing the opinions of more experienced players.

    When this matter was first brought to our attention yesterday, we immediately took it very seriously. We pride ourselves on creating quality original content, and the thought that one of our writers would have plagiarized someone else’s work (without any mention or credit, to top it off) was alarming. As my response will show, we do not believe that any sort of plagiarizing took place, but it is important that you understand the fact that we did look at it as a real possibility, and investigated things as such.

    With that out of the way, let’s look at the allegations.

    Claim: You claim that the “current buzz” around Slave Drivers is probably because of your videos and reddit post.

    Response: While that may well be true, Furty had had the idea of potentially using Slave Drivers in a Raise Spectre Necromancer guide before your post and even before the Taiwanese video was posted on June 29th. I submit the following screenshot of a Discord chat from June 20th, when Furty’s friend mentions the idea to him.

    I will immediately grant that the screenshot is hardly proof of Furty having begun work on the guide, or of even having committed at the time to write it, but it does show that he was aware of the combination being possible shortly before he wrote the guide, and before you posted anything about it anywhere (that we know of).

    As a supplemental note, Furty made use of this post as part of his minion research, and as you can see that talks about Slave Drivers long before any of this recent interest in them surfaced.

    Taking the Slave Driver idea further, as you clearly point out in your reddit post, you did not come up with the concept yourself, but instead it was the Taiwanese summoners who appear to have made it work first (interestingly, you don’t seem to mention this fact anywhere in your guide on the official forums).

    Claim: You claim that “all your information is the same as mine”. You cite skill trees, gems, and “all information”.

    Response: This is simply not true.

    The passive skill trees are not the same. Aside from the fact that you provide a level 95 tree and we provide a level 100 one (which obviously leads to some differences), there are the notable facts that you take the entire Revenge of Hunted wheel, whereas we do not, you do not take the Leadership notable (nor do you mention anywhere in your guide that you might take it with the remaining skill points), you path differently to Gravepact, and you take one fewer Jewel socket.

    The gem links are indeed very similar, but then again, since the builds are pretty much the same, this is not very surprising to me (I will get back to the similarities between the builds towards the end of my reply). There is one difference in Lightning Penetration Support being used in the main link, but that is indeed minor.

    You also claim that “all information” is the same but there are other differences. For example, your Pantheon section provides one major god and one minor god as options, whereas we provide an alternative for each. You recommend Blood of the Karui Blood of the Karui in your flask section, whereas we do not and recommend a Basalt Flask Basalt Flask instead.

    Claim: You claim that you popularised the use of Phase Acrobatics in Synthesis and “no other spectre summoner build focuses on it”.

    Response: First of all, this Raise Spectre Necromancer build uses Phases Acrobatics. It was posted at the end of January 2019, so well before Synthesis came out. That makes your statement patently false.

    Even if it weren’t for that build’s existence, however, Phase Acrobatics is a very popular node. Furty made use of it in one of the first builds he wrote on our site, the Storm Brand Elementalist (it has since been removed from that build). While that is indeed not “a summoner” and is a different ascendancy, let us not get too carried away here with the idea of revolutionary concepts. It is a strong passive that exists on the skill tree, and pathing to it is not something you can claim ownership over, in my opinion.

    You also mention pathing to Herbalism here, but I don’t see what this has to do with anything since neither your build nor ours go anywhere near that node.

    Claim: You claim to have “theorycrafted” the use of a multi-mod trigger wand to proc Elemental Equilibrium.

    Response: That trigger effect has existed in the game since patch 3.1 on The Poet's Pen The Poet's Pen. I do not see what is so revolutionary in replicating a powerful Unique effect in a crafted Rare item.

    Claim: You claim that the “gear suggestions, crafting guide and mechanics” and “much of the descriptions” are paraphrases of your own words.

    Response: This is the part I have the most trouble with. I don’t mean to be rude, but your guide is quite austere at the best of times. There are literal pages’ worth of content in our guide that simply does not exist in yours (gem discussions, passive skill tree discussion, crafting explanations and gear discussions).

    While I concede similarities between the two builds (again, explained more below) in terms of their very core, I find their forms to be very different indeed. To claim that there is any paraphrasing going on is, frankly, outrageous. Even “extrapolation” would be improperly used here.

    Both builds describe the same thing. So, because the two builds are basically the same, they naturally have overlap. A lot of overlap. A lot of things are shared. The gear, for example, is archetypal. Using Bones of Ullr Bones of Ullr, +1 spectre boots, or Vis Mortis Vis Mortis is just bog standard summoner stuff.

    But there are differences in the actual recommendations, and there are certainly huge differences in terms of wording, depth of explanation, alternatives provided, and more.

    Conclusion

    All of the above is sufficient evidence for us to conclude that there is no undue copying of content in this case. Furty has been a respected (if sometimes controversial precisely for the opposite of plagiarism, namely going against accepted theorycrafting and proposing his own ideas) guide-writer in World of Warcraft for many years. We have worked with him for a long time, and we are very familiar with his writing style, and this guide does not in any way read or sound differently from his usual work.

    I do want to say that I can certainly see how the timing of the publication of this guide coinciding with you updating your guide on the official forums, together with the very similar content of the guides, could have led you to believe that something was wrong. A reasonable suspicion, but one which happens to be unfounded this time.

    Finally, I would like to touch upon the tone of your post, which seems to me to imply you feel you have some sort of “copyright” on various things (Phase Acrobatics for summoners, Slave Drivers, multi mod wands) etc. Guide-writing in a lot of games (and Path of Exile is very much one of them) is a gradual, iterative process where one creator builds upon the work of dozens of others who research and bring various elements to the forefront.

    Crediting others for discovering things is certainly practiced when the discovery is groundbreaking, the combination is revolutionary, and so on (and we have credited thusly on many occasions in the past), but it is not a blanket practice that should just be applied every time you write a guide on a topic someone else covered somewhere before.

    Edited by Vlad on July 14th, 2019

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    That is a well-worded rebuttal to the aforementioned issues, but I’m having trouble seeing the how that discord post truly helps validate the credibility here.

    To clarify: Someone that doesn’t “like to play necro that much” decided to grab Slave Drivers , a spectre not mathematically testable in Path of Building outside of an obscure workaround, and build an in-depth guide in a short period of time — coincidentally publishing days after purist Necro players with established followings post their builds and the results appear alarmingly similar?

    Necromancer Spectre Summoner passive trees, I admit, don’t have as insane a variance level in terms of their passive trees as other builds, but the timing/wording of all of this honestly begs the question: Is this truly “original content?”

    Furty also mentioned variations of “Cyclone” builds as an example of different ways to “tackle” builds. Raise Spectre is on a wholly different level in terms of making a build. The game offers countless possibilities and interactions with mob types. Most with differing skills gems, animations, cast speeds, etc… Slave Drivers are one in a huge lineup of options to interact with Raise Spectre. It takes time, in-game currency, and much effort to optimize each individual archetype within Raise Spectre. Cyclone is Cyclone. The gem is what the skill offers and what you’re purely working with in the passive tree and in your character build/items/dynamics. —

    To comment on another point — I understand that paying “homage” in the sense I appeared to asked previously and giving nods to other players for varying ideas/builds/content is not commonplace in the vast ocean of content that is PoE (or most all games for that matter). There aren’t patents or copyrights galore to pull from for legal action or game ToS. However, many of these big content creators/streamers do give at least some kind of visibility/acknowledgement/friendly nudge when something seems to budge commonplace standards (eh ehm Solar Guards…) and is worth checking out.

    My original comment above was in response to this asking for clarification. Kayella’s guide appeared (and still does) eerily similar to this one. However, Kayella made a point to comment on their found origins (“nice Find! etc..)

    From what I’ve been observing:

    Kayella commented on that original Taiwanese video.
    The player commented back — both were discussing optimal gems.
    Uberelite, just recognized by GGG, then shared Kayella’s video on stream.
    Uberelite does a Pledge of Hands rendition and is currently playing it.

    There wasn’t a “credits to x and x and x” on a guide, or an asterisk on Uberelite’s twitch page for credit to Kayella. There wasn’t an asterisk on Kayella’s guide to the Taiwanese player. There was a sharing of information, publicly. On video, or on the comments page on the guide’s thread. A “nudge or friendly bump.”

    This guide appeared on my radar, out of the blue, with intense similarities, and no grounds from which I saw or have seen that transition. I simply asked for clarification on the matter, and then I’m told it is wholly original. Fair enough. I can’t prove coincidences, nor is it my job to, but as a fan of the game and the ascendancy in general, this brought up a red flag to me and I asked a question to see the origins.

    I do appreciate the constructive and professional rebuttals. The one thing I am genuinely happy for is the exposure of all of this to players wanting to try the ascendancy— new or veteran. I am guilty of commenting on a guide without intentions to start a discussion improving someone’s game experience with spectres. However, I did feel the need to try and delve (pun intended) into the core of the roots of the information that was lacking any remote sense of vague affirmation. Guides/Builds are an ever-evolving, adaptive process in which many players take part in – I agree. This one struck home for me as it was in the neck-of-the-woods I frequent. And it seemed out of place.

    Edited by Hammer2DaFace on July 15th, 2019

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    Hi guys,
    I hope you can help

    all my minions die from 1 hit of most yellow monsters, I do have Wraithlord and Bones of Ullr I am keeping my zobies together with spectres and most yellow bosses just 1 shot the whole lot
    can any1 look at my char and see what the heck I am doing wrong? thx guys!!
    https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/xtyr/characters

    char in Legion name: SashaTheSpectreQueen

    pls help!

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    On 15/07/2019 at 9:23 AM, XtyrTheRed said

    Hi guys,
    I hope you can help

    all my minions die from 1 hit of most yellow monsters, I do have Wraithlord and Bones of Ullr I am keeping my zobies together with spectres and most yellow bosses just 1 shot the whole lot
    can any1 look at my char and see what the heck I am doing wrong? thx guys!!
    https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/xtyr/characters

    char in Legion name: SashaTheSpectreQueen

    pls help!

    Unfortunately they’re just pretty squishy during the leveling process. Picking up a Convocation Convocation gem makes it a little smoother but your Spectres especially will still be fairly vulnerable until the Soul Weaver and Commander of Darkness keystones on your Necromancer Ascendancy. You can also grab the Sacrifice notable for now (and Spiritual Command while you’re there) and spec out of them once you’re comfortably into maps.

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    I’m not really clear on how the ‘Trigger a Socketed Spell when you Use a Skill’ thing works. In your gear section you mention that it’s useful because ‘stopping to cast Armageddon Band isn’t worth it’, but in order for these skills to cast, you need to self-cast something. So what is being cast to trigger these if not Armageddon Band?

    Additionally, whenever I trigger these skills, not all 3 are cast. They seem to randomly cast. What am I not understanding or doing properly here?

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    On 15/07/2019 at 5:38 AM, Hammer2DaFace said

    Necromancer Spectre Summoner passive trees, I admit, don’t have as insane a variance level in terms of their passive trees as other builds, but the timing/wording of all of this honestly begs the question: Is this truly “original content?”

    Seems about as original as Kayella’s.

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    On 15/07/2019 at 3:56 PM, ModularAlbatross said

    I’m not really clear on how the ‘Trigger a Socketed Spell when you Use a Skill’ thing works. In your gear section you mention that it’s useful because ‘stopping to cast Armageddon Band isn’t worth it’, but in order for these skills to cast, you need to self-cast something. So what is being cast to trigger these if not Armageddon Band?

    Additionally, whenever I trigger these skills, not all 3 are cast. They seem to randomly cast. What am I not understanding or doing properly here?

    You should be shield charging or flame dashing or leap slamming all over the place (charge or leap generally preferable as they can link to fortify). Convocation should also trigger the gems in the wand, and is pretty important.

    Edited by FalconPimpslap on July 15th, 2019

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